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GeorgeBozic
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: I want to build a 100 kilometre plus Tower to Space.
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To whom it may concern (Someone with Futuresight),
I want to build a pipeline to Space. The reasons at this time are not important but the idea is.
I have been told by a Professor of Engineering that it can be done but it would cost Trillions. I don't think SO!!!
I am not a Architec or a Engineer but have a construction idea for the tower and no-one to discuss it with that takes me seriously.
Is there anyone on this planet that will take this shit-catcher seriously.
Yours persistently,
George Bozic
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usarender
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: A Solution |
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We have developed a proprietary design to solve this challenge and allow every man to access the sky, at an affordable cost.
It will enable the cities in the sky of the future. It is a future transportation system. It is a Gateway to the Sky.
It will enable us to study new structural support systems in space, and means to design structures and buildings in space using the momentum of bodies of mass in motion to support structures in space.
This new Gateway is a heavenly multi-colored brilliant structure suspended in the air.
It will be the new portal for humanity to enter space on a daily basis.
We will be able to carry our cargo, the soil and seeds to grow in distant space colonies and will enable us to substitute the space shuttle.
It will be much more economical for NASA to develop, will not require massive amounts of fuel to thrust steel into space, and is a more sensible, more economically viable and easily attainable way for every man to access space. It can be produced on a mass industrial scale, allowing for various "Gateways to the Sky" in multiple countries around the world. It will occupy a small area of actual physical soil, and will not require complex building permits to be erected into space. It will allow for the new cities in space.
It will be supported by a global ring, and will also be created by a series of interconnected arch shapes,with these being supported also by the central shaft, ring and secondary balloons. There will be a central vertical shaft supported by global ring. The balloons will be re-filled with central helium producing machines at various levels. This helium will eventually be substituted for new advanced gases that are non combustible.
The central shaft will be fixed at the ground and go vertically up. The lateral access shoots will follow the path of an arch, with intersecting arches as described further below.
The lateral arched access portals will remain in place. They will provide access to outer space. The central shaft is connected to the ground and to the celestial earth ring.
The central shafts will make use of pressure differentials to pull the elevators up to the top. This pressure differential can also be used at the top, as a propulsion system. The pressure can be sucked up to the top from the bottom. When reaching the top in compression chambers, it generates the thrust for propulsion. This thrust can also be complemented with small jet engines, that power the horizontal transportation systems that will be interconnected out in space.
They will be so to speak floating suspended cities that support the access tower. They will be lighter in weight, and will be placed in space in seasons of low storm activity in areas such as Arizona. They can be maintained in the air for prolonged periods of time, in desert areas, during very stable seasons with no storms.
People will always be able to ascend or descent from the cities in the sky, as there will be multiple access portals in different locations, that are interconnected.
They will glow in the dark also to avoid collisions of airplanes. They will be made also of synthetic plastic type components and the entire structure will be cheaper and quicker to produce.
The central access will be for heavy loads and the arch multi-colored access gates will be for human access, by the means of light-weight cable hoisted elevators. The arch structures will be made of synthetic materials and be light in weight. They will be rectangular in section.
The entire arch structures are allowed to be flexible, so they can oscillate in the winds as needed, and the balloons can also oscillate in position and height, to allow for movement of the arches.
The central tower will be fixed on the ground and fixed at the top, connected to the space rings. The tops of the arches will be fixed also, so the arch structures can sway in the middle sections. but are fixed on the ground and at the top, allowing people to enter and exit at fixed points.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: The Gateway to the Sky |
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FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS -->>
THE ARCH AS THE OPTIMAL STRUCTURAL FORM for the new Gateway to the Sky!
Now we can see the arch shape will be an optimal design, as the arch can be maintained stable when suspended, without horizontal movement. So we can create portals that have two ends on the ground and at the top of the arch meet at the docking stations. By intersection two arches at 90 degrees, we will get a more stable structure that will not balance in the wind, and multiple access points.
Space craft can also carry people to other earth locations and between the access portals.
By horizontally connecting these access points, we have a new terrestrial mass transportation system ! People will be able to travel fast, cheaply and reach for the stars!
The docking stations will be connected to space labs, to further space located docking stations, and these will enable multiple exchange routes. Information will flow through space with our new data transmission system. The docking stations will harbor small shops, small laboratories and and act as re-supply stations.
This central shaft will also continue out into space and connect with space stations. It will carry passengers at high speed out into space to reach space stations and areas that are adequately climate controlled. It will be, so to speak, a high speed shoot or a celestial umbilical cord. These umbilical cords and vertical stations will be connected to space stations, and these in turn, will be connected to other vertical access shafts, and allow people to travel horizontally at high speeds, between the access shafts, in the same type of "umbilical cords", except these will be horizontal and follow a curvilinear path in-line with the curvature of the earth. There can be light-weight plastic component seats inside the horizontal shoots, and can also have enclosed capsules, with all the comfort of travel. The shoots can be vacuums, to create no air resistance. They can be divided into chambers. They can exist inside larger shoots, that have air in them. This way, if a passenger needs to stop, the zone he is in can be isolated, filled with air, and he can await in the parallel chambers, until he proceeds in his journey. There can be rest stops along the way, along the horizontal travel chambers in space. These will allow people to travel at very high speeds, to reach other earth coordinates and other space stations, and then either proceed to space, or return to earth at other global locations.
So please look at it this way George,
Why does it have to be a tower ? Looking at it from the standpoint of an architect and inventor -->>
My solution is -->>
1. More technically feasible.
2. Is more realizable and tangeable.
3. Will be built faster.
4. Will be fraction of the cost of your solution.
5. Will not interfere with airplanes and other man-made objects that could collide with a tower.
So if you pursue your idea, and I pursue mine, the net result is that one of them will reach space first. The tower also may never get environmental or building approval, because of it's impact on the environment and man-made air born machines.
This may be one of the reasons your persistent pursuit of building a tower is leading to nowhere and why you are not able to get support for it. Remember the Babylonians? They tried to develop a tower to the sky, and never succeeded. The story goes this led to the various languages we have today, as it all ended up in one big confusion. So if man attempts to do the same today he will only be challenging the original story and attempting to prove history is wrong, and that it can be done. Do you assume you are greater then the Babylonians ? You will assume you will succeed with a tower, when they failed? It seems you are relying on modern technology as well, but then again, maybe not. It seems your tower would be just as primitive as the original Babylonian idea, except that the bricks would be plastic. Even less stable and resistant then the old Babylonian construction technology, as solid as the ages.
Further, certainly is these forums, there are no serious engineers or architects proposing any serious visionary solutions, or even posting any serious critique on this subject. There is a general apathy apparent. The only responses so far are from ill intended individuals seeking to diminish the content of the post, and the ideas being proposed, by posting sarcastic remarks.
This project is technically feasible, economically viable, and will be realized in a VERY SHORT TIME at a fraction of the cost of an actual tower. (By the way, our project Liquid Universe is not about asking for money).
Just imagine these colossal vertical access systems existing all over the globe. They would will be seen for thousands of miles and will be the biggest outdoor banner ever seen on planet earth. They will be multi-colored and provide millions with fantastic light and laser shows. They will be used to promote a hundred thousand dreams.
Those who join in this global effort and work together, with our support, will be the new billionaires of the future. This is no small joke.
This gateway to the sky will become real and it will enable man to explore space in a way never before possible. It will enable multiple space stations at intervals, so man can travel large distances in space through the "umbilical cords". It will allow for docking stations, where the space-ships carry people around and back to the central areas to return to earth.
They carry the power to make the space shuttle obsolete ! Put a big X across the image of the space shuttle then if you wish.
The spaceships will make use of the magnetic system to bounce themselves around planets and gain speed as they travel to remote locations, riding on the waves of magnetic propulsion and the synergy developed by bouncing off larger bodies, using the gravitational field to accelerate and then shift their course into the galaxy.
Their internal engines, by making use of gravitational cancellation possible by the intense magnetic field, will be able to levitate and invert their internal fields at will, to flow on the waves of gravitational attraction and bounce off the positive and negative poles of planets, to follow their sinuous path over the surface of bodies. They distort our compasses and antiquated equipments by their strong magnetic field. This alien technology is actually within the reach of mankind. We are being observed and are now observing the change.
Man, fearful and wonderfully made, creates a new liquid galaxy of energy and momentum, where the technology of change brings a new universe to our door step !
We have only just began. Thousands of new structural developments to follow !
Those who join with us to develop this will be the new billionaires of the future ! This is no small joke ! If someone tries to develop it without our help, they will be violating intellectual property, will not have the power of global connectivity.
It can already be seen on international news, so to speak. It can and will happen. This will be one of the most fantastic bridges the world has ever seen. We would like to work with serious partners, to help us develop this. Together, as a Liquid Universe Project, we guarantee the exclusive right to intellectual property of these ideas and others we are developing. As PC has demonstrated, by working for a project here for 10 years, once ideas are published, they become an issue of intellectual property. These are ideas, systems, and demonstrate the power of global connectivity. They are not promoting one company, but call for global action and participation.
Ideas that are not absurd, they are easily realizable. Together we can bring it to happen, here and now.
Soon we will reach for the stars.
We are here to help you build your dream.
The power of global cooperation.
Welcome to the journey !
Please see the post below for further information. There are images also to illustrate the system.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Further Developments on this Project |
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The arches will be supported by the balloons distributed along the path. The central elevator will be supported by a global ring, to be constructed of multiple steel cables. The global ring will function as a structural support for the high speed horizontal transportation system in space. The ring will be supported by the orbit of the large satellite bodies, attached to the central ring with cables at intervals as illustrated. These can be large heavy satellite or communications equipment in some positions, and some of the globes can be liquid. Thus, orbiting bodies can be substituted for large globes of water. The water can be produced in space, by elevating materials into space to fabricate the water. The large orbiting satellite bodies will be all attached to the ring, and be on sliding cables. The eccentric momentum produced by their bodies will hold the ring in space. They will be moving at a good speed, perhaps 80-100 KM/Hr in relation to the rings. This will enable the ring to float in space to carry heavy loads and vertically hoist objects into space. The rings can fluctuate some in vertical position, depending on the load. The loads will be equal and distributed at opposite ends of the ring, in a way to maintain the rings in a stable position. The rings can be made with multiple rows of high strength steel cables. They can be reinforced in sections, to allow the introductions of space structures in zones. The horizontal rings will harbor cities, with chambers divided into sections, so that if a section is taken out by a natural disaster, the chamber can be replaced. The rings will be double or triple, in the event one ring is removed, the other will still support the entire structure. The rings will be separated by a distance greater then the largest heavenly earth bound object, providing double security in the event of a collision with a meteor. There are more orbiting large mass bodies then needed to support the weight, so if some orbiting bodies or one of the rings is removed by an accident, the other multiple rings and orbiting bodies will guarantee the stability of the structure. The space between the rings will be enclosed by plastic materials in chambers filled with oxygen. These chambers can be replaced as needed. The horizontal transportation system will travel along these rings as well. The rings will remain in space permanently and can be maintained when needed. The orbiting objects will be placed in space with small rockets that maintain vertical and horizontal thrusters. The orbits of the large bodies will be used to generate all the electricity needed for the space stations and transportation system, as well as the vertical hoist systems and all the support equipment.
The balloons will be able to access high altitudes, but some distance missing from the space ring. So the central shaft will hoist people and equipment the remaining distance between the highest altitude the balloons reach, and the space ring, which remains in space year round.
The balloons will also be used to maintain and repair both the central shaft and the arched shoots, when needed. They will be also used to remove people from the shoots, in the event of emergencies. They will carry the people over to the central shoot, where they can be quickly lifted or brought back down to earth.
There are images posted here. If they do not appear in your browser, please visit the following page -->>
http://www.globaldeveloper.net/
and click on the "Gateway to the Sky" page.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: This is shocking !! |
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P.C. just shocked me, by referring to a technology which is astoundingly similar and I had no knowledge of !!!
The technology he referred to -->>
http://www.liftport.com/
Is actually amazing, as I had no contact with this, or idea of it, when I conceived of the space ring system !
According to this site -->>
The LiftPort Space Elevator
What is a space elevator?
""A Space Elevator, or more specifically the LiftPort Space Elevator, will consist of a ribbon made of a very strong and very light material, carbon nanotubes, anchored to the Earth's surface at the LiftPort Station with the other end reaching into space. By making the ribbon long enough, and attaching a small satellite as counterweight, the Earth's rotation will provide enough centrifugal effect to overcome the pull of gravity and keep the ribbon taut. The LiftPort Space Elevator will then provide a permanent bridge between earth and space. Elevator cars will be robotic "lifters" which will climb the ribbon to deliver cargo and eventually people to orbit or beyond.""
At first glance, I believed they were copying my idea. But, in reality, their idea is almost the same as mine ! Many ingredients are missing, however.
It is curious, though, to see a big team of inventors for years working on something I created in a few minutes, with no knowledge of their ideas. They are a group of 4 companies, who are together working for years to develop ideas I come up with in a few minutes and developed in an hour or just a few hours, to do the diagrams etc.
Now, your comments, p.c. on the topic on "Concept in Architecture"-->>
"" There are various good resons to look closer to the space lift ; many problems to solve there already such like , that it is not enough to just "lift" something up in the skies , satelites only stay there becaurse they ballance their speed so they do not "fall down" . With our space lift, you must remember it has to be double as "long" as the ribbon lift, as to gain from the earth rotation to keep it in the air, in fact it is this rotation and the centrifugal forces that make this possible, but if you go back to the early 50' where man tried to reach the bottom of the oceans , by a steel ball in a wire the surprising experience was, that the hardest problem was to manufactor a steel wire strong enough to hold it's own weight , to be able to reach just those ten eleven kilometer down ; this turned out impossible and triggered a great invension a submarine with a petrol tank as updrift ; that way the wire was elimanated and they did indeed reach the bottom, where with the wire , even two kilometers was a huge challance.
I don't even belive that with the space lift all problems are solved, as as soon a cargo is not ballanced by the counterweights in further out space of the space lift, --- then it will instantly drop to the surface unless, unless it by some mean can reach enough speed to ecape earth gravitation."""
My system is different, and you have not understood it at all. Their system merely keeps the space lift in the air. My system is able to support heavy weights!
Further, nothing will fall to earth, even if the weight of the cargo exceeds the centrifugal balance. This, because, my system is allowed to sway some in space. This sway will be minimal, even with loads that greatly exceed the recommended, this because it is a global ring, and the forces on all ends of the planet keep it in an average position. Now, it can be built only with high tension cables, and as many as needed to guarantee the stability of the system. We can add as many cables as we need to, to guarantee the structural stability !
A few comments you made shows you didn't understand our system at all. Something is not just being "lifted to the sky". The balance of speed you referred to, is being achieved in a unique new way before never done ! It is a revolutionary idea to suspend cities in space, using the kitecnics of masses in motion and centrifugal forces as counter-weights to gravity, to allow us to suspend cities around planets !
Further, their system requires a cable attached to the earth to counter-balance the centrifugal force needed to maintain the structure in space. My system does not require this connection to the earth, to maintain the ring floating in space! The cables only need to be strong enough to resist the weights of the extended masses centrifugal force into space. We can make the structure as light as possible and the masses as small as possible, and use it to lift smaller loads, with no grounding or anchoring to the earth needed! We can make it stronger and lift greater loads, if our physics and calculations so enable us to do so! There will be no limit thus to what our system can achieve, and is incredibly more complex and complete then the space lift!
Why would one want to occupy the moon ? It is barren! Now, if we could anchor our cities to planets, they will not simply drift into space, we have a fixed reference point, and can be more easily connected to the earth and space stations. We can extract elements we need from planets, and conduct our experiments using this technology. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think the obvious reason that the liftport group has not made more progress is that you have not been working with them. They need an infusion of creativity. If all the people who would like to see the space elevator become a reality would just work together then things could be accomplished. Why do you and George want to fight the system and go your own way?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: About LLiftport Group |
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Well, at first, I knew nothing of the liftport group until today. Yesterday, when I conceived of the entire plan, I was simply responding to George's request and trying to help him achieve his vision. "George responded as follows -->>
"" Gentlemen,
Thankyou all for your passionate attention to my little idea. This is what I have been looking for all these years.
Mr Nelson, thankyou for your interest.
Mr Birgco, thankyou for reducing your normal retainer by $500 for me.
Mr Stewart, thankyou for being involved.
Do any of your replies get me closer to starting my little project?
Not that I've read yet.
Mr Birgco if you do know Donny give him a call and tell him George needs is help.
Gentlemen, I posted my idea for one reason. I will build my Tower.
George Bozic
Xcellence Ind.
P.S. I will build the tower in the middle of my home land, Australia The Land DownUnder""
When he insisted on a tower, I proceeded to ask him why he could not consider my system. He has not responded to my reasoning. Then today, PC made a second reference to the liftport group, so I just found it an hour ago or less and just posted the information on their system, together with a comparison with what I posted. Please see the posts above, to understand the incredible similaries and also the big difference between my system and the liftport system. They have no knowledge of my proposal also, as of this moment, and I had no knowledge of their system until less then an hour ago.
We are all about global cooperation, provided nobody is stealing ideas from others, but developing their own, then working together. The problem arises when each has his own vision and nobody wishes to cooperate or change their vision and plan for something else. Further, companies operate in the dog eat dog business world, and frequently would rather steal ideas from others then cooperate and join forces. So they could either --
1. Attempt to steal the ideas.
2. Work with us.
In the business world, frequently companies opt for nb. 1 and few are able to engage in the type of mentality needed for nb 2. The question remains to be seen, if this company will desire to steal the ideas from someone, or work with the global community at Project Liquid Universe and help the world jointly develop this.
As P.C. has noted by posting his ideas here for years, once ideas are published on sites and in various forums, it becomes a question of intellectual property. If we have at these sites many people posting new inventions and ideas, then we in effect have a global community and system of people working together to guarantee the rights of each contributor and support the effort of each in a joint fashion, for the betterment of humanity. This is what Project Liquid Universe is all about. It is not about promoting one company. The idea is to get all companies working together, respecting the rights to intellectual property of each member, and each company developing segments of the technology, so it all can be brought to work efficiently together.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: The Texas Boy at work again |
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Presumption is a dreaded disease, Mr. Texas Boy.
If you get too near, we might just catch your virus.
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What are you talking about now?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: Presupposition |
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| Just exactly what I said. You are again, making statements out of presuppositions, not based on fact. Or are you trying to beg the question? |
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I looked at their forum and you are not over there working with them.
You say you want to work with people on these new things like space elevators but when you have the opportunity to work with a like minded group you don't. If you where serious about creating a space elevator and working with other people you would be over there working with them.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: A New Design Community Bully! |
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So now you are becoming a design community bully ?
Congratulations Mr. Texas, one more enhancement to add to your resume!
Why don't you go the full 100 yards and tell George he should join us as well. I am sure he will appreciate your bullying.
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