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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

And who was that candidate ?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: More dribble from politics... Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

SDR... I would like that individual to repeat himself 10 times in public, with those magical, sacred words, paid in blood by all the soldiers and families and immigrants since before the American Revolution... that of "serving the people of America, to make a better America". I cannot name that person until he says it 9 more times, and true, I am not quoting exactly since I did not write down his exact words...but certainly his meaning is in this quote.

God Bless that Patriot American!!!

Other side of the coin, someone I once was in favor of, another candidate, and yes, I have reversed myself. Hillary is now telling America she wants to give $5000 to every child born in America! And free healthcare too?! Did she also say "End poverty!"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_hillary_clinton_proposes_5000_baby_bonds-1.html?ref=rss

Even my taxi brain knows..."Are you dreaming? Are you really this naive?" I am on the tight- edge of bankruptcy, tax jail, as are 95% of everyone I know, and now the idea is floated to give billions of dollars, where nobody was even asking for it?

The rich won't be paying for it. The poor aren't capable of paying for it. Corporations can dodge the tax payments, God how I know this! Blue- color slobs like myself will pay and pay and pay!

As we are all immigrants, our country's greatness is the immigrants, but now you give an incentive to every immigrant wannabe in the world to cross the border somewhere, have a child stateside, and possibly get a guaranteed bond payment they couldn't earn in 20 lifetimes!?

Its not enough that manufacturing jobs are exported to Asia, un-employing the blue collars like myself. It is not enough that you IMPORT 200,000 to 400,000 skilled workers under the H2B program, taking all those techie jobs, crushing the college graduates and American citizens chances.

Why not improve the dysfunctional education system that already exists?

Dumb, dumber, moronic. Who will unite us? Who will lead us? Who will inspire us?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Amazing comments from Mario Cuomo and Tom Kean Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

In the New York Daily News, Opinion section of today....

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/09/30/2007-09-30_build_a_new_political_platform__from_the-1.html

Build a new political platform - from the people on up
BY MARIO CUOMO & TOM KEAN

Sunday, September 30th 2007, 4:00 AM

Has there been a moment when America has faced more crucial issues at the same time? Not in our lifetime. And our current politics is not dealing well with any of them.

Let's not minimize how big, tough and unrelenting an agenda we face, and how badly we need to deal with it.

The Cold War was huge, but the war on terrorism - or its war on us - is even scarier. ...

Our schools are not meeting the escalating need for education. Thirty percent of our students entering high school drop out before graduation....

....And we haven't even mentioned the war in Iraq.

On top of it all, Washington has been so overrun by lobbyists, their fund-raising and earmarks, that the political system is not just broken, it is corrupt. As Michael Kinsley has said about the nation's capital: "The scandal is not what's illegal. The scandal is what's legal."

Subnote: Cuomo, a Democrat, is former governor of New York. Kean, a Republican, is former governor of New Jersey. Unity08 is online at Unity08.com. By Mario Cuomo & Tom Kean....The big questions are being ignored by both parties

I say, Simply the truth!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

Bill Moyers is single-handedly doing his best to keep up with the scandals, and to reveal them. The question is, how large is his PBS audience ?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Not Iran, Not Syria, Not North Korea...Al Qaeda! Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

Yesterday brought the terrible news that Karachi Pakistan was hit with the single largest terrorist bomb EVER, in that country, during the Benazir Bhutto’s procession from the airport.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/world/asia/21pakistan.html

Where is America's response and revulsion for such an act? Where is our publicized empathy and show of support? Where is our renewed committment against Al Qaeda?

And what about the 50 to 100 Pakistani military who were kidnapped, tortured, and slaughtered in the mountains by insurgents in their own country?

Where is the news on this? I don't see it. I am shocked. This is an amazing ally to America in its war on terror. Sure, tribal areas in the mountains belong to tribal leaders for the last 5000 years, who can change that?

Or is America's focus on attacking Iran and Syria, and not on Al Qaeda?

A few months ago, 500 Iraqi Kurds from an Northern Iraq location were killed in a horrendous attack by Al Qaeda. American media almost ignored it. I think it was Thomas Friedman of the New York Times who wrote about the missed opportunity, how we could show the catastrophic damage that was done by extremists, meaning Al Qaeda!

But that story disappeared. We should be promoting our ideals, our culture, our music, our alleged freedoms, our education opportunities, and our solidarity with peoples around the world! But we don't.

Its not like Bush is bad on this, the entire American government and media seems to be asleep on this.

Cover Story, Today's Daily News? Joe Torre..."Why I had to Quit".

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Antisthenes

zzzzz amerikkka is a neo-fascist nation, old news very old
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

November 12, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
Bring the Real World Home

By ROGER COHEN
In the gym at the NATO base in Kabul, U.S. soldiers hit the treadmills every morning and gaze at TV screens broadcasting Al Jazeera’s English news channel. When Osama bin Laden makes news, as he did recently with a statement about Iraq, America’s finest work out beneath the solemn gaze of their most wanted enemy.

This sounds like a scene from Donald Rumsfeld’s private hell. The former secretary of defense dismissed Al Jazeera as a “mouthpiece of Al Qaeda.” He once called the network, which is based in and owned by Qatar, “vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable.”

In an indication of what the Bush administration thinks of Al Jazeera journalism (and habeas corpus), it has locked up one of the network’s cameramen, Sami al-Hajj, in Guantánamo Bay for more than five years without charging him.

The choice of viewing at the NATO gym is a lot wiser than Rumsfeld’s choice of words or the terrible treatment of Hajj. America, and not just its front-line soldiers, needs to watch Al Jazeera to understand how the world has changed. Any other course amounts to self-destructive blindness.

The first change that must be grasped is America’s diminished ability to influence people. Global access to information now amounts to an immense à la carte menu. Networks escape control. To hundreds of millions of people accessing information for the first time, from central China to Kenya’s Rift Valley, the United States can easily look exclusive and less relevant to their future.

The second essential change is the erosion of American power. Samantha Power, the author and Harvard professor, calls this “the core fact of recent years.”

America’s hard power — its military — is compromised by intractable counterinsurgency wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its economy is strained; witness the ever feebler dollar. Its soft power — the resonance of the American idea — has been hurt by a loss of legitimacy (Hajj languishing) and by incompetence (Iraq).

The third essential change is the solidification of anti-Americanism as a political idea. Jihadist Islamism is the most violent expression of this, but its agents benefit from swimming in a sea of less murderous resentments.

In response to all this, America can say to heck with an ungrateful world. It can mutter about third, even fourth, world wars. Therein lies a downward spiral. Or it can try to grasp the new, multinetworked world as it is.

To this world Al Jazeera English offers a useful primer. The network can be tendentious — bin Laden’s face up there for several minutes — in stomach-turning ways. But, over all, its striving for balanced reporting from a distinct perspective seems genuine.

A year after its launch, it reaches 100 million households worldwide. Its focus is on “reporting from the political south to the political north,” as Nigel Parsons, its managing director, put it. The world it presents, more from the impact than the launch point of U.S. missiles, is one that must be understood.

Yet, the network has been sidelined in the United States. Representative Jim Moran, a Democrat from Virginia, told me: “There’s definitely an attitude here that these guys are the enemy. But in the Mideast, Asia and Europe they have a credibility the U.S. desperately needs.”

Moran met recently with Al Jazeera English executives seeking to extend the service’s Lilliputian reach here. Right now, you can watch it in Toledo, Ohio, through Buckeye Cablesystem, which reaches 147,000 homes.

Or, if you’re in Burlington, Vt., a municipal cable service offers the network to about 1,000 homes. Washington Cable, in the capital, reaches half that. Better options are YouTube or GlobeCast satellite distribution.

These are slim pickings. Al Jazeera English is far more accessible in Israel. Allan Block, the chairman of Block Communications, which owns Buckeye, told me: “It’s a good channel. Sir David Frost and David Marash are not terrorists. The attempt to blackball it is neo-McCarthyism.”

Block, like other cable providers, got protest letters from Accuracy in Media, a conservative watchdog. Cliff Kincaid, its editor, cites the case of Tayseer Allouni, a former Afghanistan correspondent jailed in Spain for Al Qaeda links. This is evidence, he suggests, that “cable providers shouldn’t give them access.”

Most cable companies have bowed to the pressure while denying politics influenced their decisions. “It just comes down to channel capacity and other programming options,” Jenni Moyer, a Comcast spokeswoman, told me.

Nonsense, says Representative Moran, blaming “political winds plus a risk-averse corporate structure.”

These political winds hurt America. Counterinsurgency has been called armed social science. To win, you must understand the world you’re in.

Comparative courses in how Al Jazeera, CNN, the BBC and U.S. networks portray the Iraq war and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should be taught in all U.S. high schools and colleges. Al Jazeera English should be widely available.

©2007 New York Times

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Richard Haut

As Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown humiliates himself with yet more anti-Iranian rhetoric and Bush "instructs" EU companies not to deal with Iran, I wonder if the following has been reported in any US/UK mainstream media .......



U.S., Iranian engineers seek greater tech cooperation
by Sheila Riley (source: EE Times)
Sunday, November 11, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite recent heated political rhetoric between their governments, a delegation of U.S. scientists and engineers met with their Iranian counterparts in Tehran in October.

Representatives of the National Academies of Sciences (NAS) and Engineering sought to expand a program of scientific cooperation with Iranian institutions that began in 1999.

Common ground was apparent when the Americans, hosted by the prestigious Sharif University of Technology in Tehran and the Iranian Academy of Sciences, met with Iranian scientists and engineers. "One thing I've learned is that scientists and engineers share many values across cultures," said delegation leader William Wulf.

Those shared values include truth, objectivity and what constitutes ethical research, said Wulf, NAE president emeritus and a professor at the University of Virginia. Those values led to easier communication and a basis for building understanding and trust, resulting in professional collaboration even even though Washington and Tehran are at odds, he said.

"This was not a government-to-government dialogue. On the other hand, it was approved and even encouraged by the both the Iranian and U.S. governments," Wulf said.

The discussions between the two groups were straightforward, Wulf said. "We didn't run into any obfuscation. It was just very open," he said.

The technology issues discussed during the meetings were not strictly academic. Sadegh Vaez-Zadeh, Iranian vice president for science, suggested that scientists and engineers from both countries should look at monitoring inappropriate uses of technology, Wulf said.

"We asked if that would include weapons, and [Vaez-Zadeh] said yes," according to Wulf.

Wulf also noted that Iran is a relatively young country. By some estimates, two-thirds of the population is under 25. That age group enthusiastically welcomed the Americans. "Any time we were around young people, they just flew to us," Wulf said.

Some 1,800 students and professors packed a confernece room designed for 400 to hear physics Nobel laureate Joseph Taylor, a member of the U.S. delegation. "It was like a rock star," Wulf said.

And their interactions with other Iranians were equally positive.

Schoolgirls at a tourist outing to Persepolis, the ancient capital of Persia, tried out their English and took photos with the Americans, Wulf said. "The image that much of the press is pushing of a theocratic, anti-Western country may be true of the regime, but it's not what we experienced among the people on the street—quite the opposite," Wulf said.

Several continuing joint efforts were announced, according to NAS spokesperson William Skane.



They include:


# A bilateral dialogue on general principles of "scientific discoveries that cause harm," either inadvertently or deliberately. The initial focus will be on biological research, nanotechnology, fossil fuels and cyber technology.


# A workshop on practical means of using scientific achievements "to benefit all nations, increase understanding and avoid destructive confrontations."


# A workshop on reducing earthquake damage to "unreinforced masonry structures."


# An exchange of science policy specialists between the National Academies and Sharif University.


# An effort to set up "channels of communication" between a Tehran high school and Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (Alexandria, Va.).

In spite of political differences, Iran and the U.S. have a history of academic cooperation. Many Iranians came to the U.S. to study engineering in the mid-1970s. When the Iranian government was overthrown in 1979, these students stayed.

Najmedin Meshkati, who arrived with a bachelor's degree in political science from Iran, is among them. Now a professor at the University of Southern California's Viterbi School of Engineering, Meshkati has been following the recent events.

The collaboration can have significant long-term benefits, Meshkati said. "This bodes very well for scientific and technological cooperation for the two countries."

The timing—following harsh words between the Bush administration and Iran's political leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad—is even more important than the event itself, Meshkati said.

"It's so refreshing to see a group of top-notch scientists and engineers who belong to the most prestigious organizations—NAS and NAE—take this initiative and to defy all the rhetoric and politics to go to Iran and have this discussion," Meshkati said.

Meshkati also predicted U.S.-Iran technology collaboration will extend beyond engineering, science and technology. "This delegation will have more respect and influence than a delegation of politicians and bureaucrats," he said. "These guys can make a big, big difference."

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: National Academy of Sciences? Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

Great stuff, Rich, good to hear from you.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

No, I didn't see that story anywhere in the papers, though (having recently retired) I sometimes skip my daily purchase of the SF Chronicle. I get the NY Times online; didn't see it there either.

This is the sort of story I'd expect to see deep inside the paper, or at the front, below the fold, on a "slow news day."

I'm unclear on why the piece was datelined San Francisco. . .

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Story is abundantly covered...elsewhere... Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

SDR and Rich...looked up the story with a Yahoo search...

October 31, 2007
National Academies Expand Cooperation With Iranian Research and Education Centers
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=10312007

Support for US Scientific Ties
http://iran-daily.com/1386/2966/html/national.htm

U.S. and Iranian Scientists Meet, Expand Cooperation
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/printer_69336.shtml

It is a shame this was never mentioned in the popular American newspapers...great catch Rich!

But from the New York area, a bit of life-tragedy...Khiel Coppin, age 18, mentally unstable, several criminal events in his life, often had begged to be killed, then two days ago rushed at police officers in a menacing manner after a 9-1-1 call described him as "having a gun"...ignoring repeated attempts to stop...he was killed.

He left some poignant notes...pain way beyond his years...

"Its the direction of life we're going in...

We are livin 2 die which means...we go forward just 2 go backward.

So why live going forward when we live to go backwards?"


Did he just describe America as it has become?

Very good words, Khiel, I wish I could have known you, and Via con dios, amigo.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

Headlines of the last hour:

Bush welcomes Gore to Oval Office (AP)
Cheney experiences irregular heartbeat (AP)

Not to make light of the Vice President's medical condition, but. . .could there be any connection here ?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

December 5, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
Seven Days in December?

By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON

At the White House news conference yesterday, The Chicago Tribune’s Mark Silva gingerly snuck up on a state-of-mind question.

“I can’t help but read your body language this morning, Mr. President,” he said. “You seem somehow dispirited, somewhat dispirited.”

W. did look like a kid who’d just had his toys taken away. But he acted humorously exasperated, as he always does when the talk turns introspective.

“This is like, all of a sudden, it’s like Psychology 101, you know?” he said, as reporters laughed.

The reporters pressed on about whether the president was troubled about a possible “credibility gap” with the American people, given that the facts had failed him on Iraq and Iran and that Harry Reid had charged that “the president is not leveling with the American people” on war spending.

Even though Norman Podhoretz is conjuring up a “Seven Days in December” spy thriller scenario in which the intelligence agencies colluded to sabotage the president and prevent him from the noble mission of air strikes on Iran, W. insisted he felt “pretty good about life.”

He said that the breathtaking and embarrassing reversal in the National Intelligence Estimate about Iran’s nuclear capability — from “high confidence” in 2005 that the mullahs were developing a nuke to “high confidence” that they stopped the program in 2003 — somehow made it clear that he was right.

If W. can shape the intelligence to match his faith-based beliefs, as with Iraq, then he will believe the intelligence — no matter how incredible it is.

If he can’t shape it to match his beliefs, as with Iran, then he will disregard the intelligence — no matter how credible it is.

Even though Sy Hersh claims that the top echelon of the White House has long known of the conclusion that Iran had stopped its nuke program, and that Dick Cheney “has kept his foot on the neck of that report,” the president says he was briefed on it only last week. Others conspiratorially speculate that the president had to have green-lighted the report to take the air out of the hawks’ Iran push.

Just because the facts on which he based his white-hot rhetoric about Iran possibly sparking World War III have been debunked, W. said with his usual twisted logic, why should his policy change?

Indeed, John Bolton, who must have been paying attention in his Psych 101 class, argued to Wolf Blitzer that the intelligence analysts “got Iraq wrong and they’re overcompensating by understating the potential threat from Iran.”

George Tenet helped hawks like Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bolton overstate the case on Iraq W.M.D. Then, when things went wrong, W., Cheney and Condi made Mr. Tenet the fall guy.

After getting Iraq wrong and Iran wrong in 2005 and almost every other big thing wrong since the nation began spending billions every year on intelligence, the burned spooks may not have wanted to play the patsy again while W., Cheney and the neocons beat the drums for an Iran invasion.

Now the apple-polishing George Tenet is gone. The man who oversaw the new estimate is Tom Fingar, a former State Department intelligence officer who was smart and brave enough to object to the cooked-up intelligence on Iraqi W.M.D.

“The way they used to do business was to write estimates in a way that couched things so they said, ‘We may not always be right, but we’re never wrong,’ ” said Tim Weiner, the reporter for The Times who wrote the award-winning history of the C.I.A., “Legacy of Ashes.” “This is a slam-dunk reversal, admitting error. Now, when they play - victimization -, they show their hands to each other, so they don’t get another curveball.”

The president, who has shut out reality for seven years, justified continuing in his world of ideological illusion by saying that he would not be “blinded” to the realities of the world. You can’t get more Orwellian than that.

“And so,” W. concluded triumphantly, and nonsensically, “kind of Psychology 101 ain’t working.”

W. loves to act as though psychology is voodoo even though his whole misbegotten foreign policy has been conducted from his gut, by checking the body language of his inner circle and looking into the hearts and souls of dictatorial leaders.

If I were looking at the latest fiasco from a Psych 101 point of view, I’d say it was another daddy issue for W.

Poppy Bush, who was once C.I.A. director, loved the agency and liked to sign notes: “Head Spook.” The C.I.A. headquarters bear his name.

W., by contrast, has voiced contempt for the intelligence community. In 2004, he dismissed a pessimistic National Intelligence Estimate that didn’t match his sunny vision of the Iraq occupation, saying that the analysts were “just guessing as to what the conditions might be like.”

When W.’s history is written, he will be seen as the rebellious teenager crashing the family station wagon into his father’s three most cherished spots — diplomacy, intelligence and the Gulf.

©2007 NY Times

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by SDR

A bit surprising, finding this editorial in the NY Times ?

December 6, 2007
Op-Ed Contributors
In Iran We Trust?

By VALERIE LINCY and GARY MILHOLLIN
Washington

ON Monday the United States intelligence community issued what everyone agrees was blockbuster news: a report stating that in the autumn of 2003, Iran halted its nuclear weapons program. The National Intelligence Estimate has been heralded as a courageous act of independence by the intelligence agencies, and praised by both parties for showing a higher quality of spy work than earlier assessments.

In fact, the report contains the same sorts of flaws that we have learned to expect from our intelligence agency offerings. It, like the report in 2002 that set up the invasion of Iraq, is both misleading and dangerous.

During the past year, a period when Iran’s weapons program was supposedly halted, the government has been busy installing some 3,000 gas centrifuges at its plant at Natanz. These machines could, if operated continuously for about a year, create enough enriched uranium to provide fuel for a bomb. In addition, they have no plausible purpose in Iran’s civilian nuclear effort. All of Iran’s needs for enriched uranium for its energy programs are covered by a contract with Russia.

Iran is also building a heavy water reactor at its research center at Arak. This reactor is ideal for producing plutonium for nuclear bombs, but is of little use in an energy program like Iran’s, which does not use plutonium for reactor fuel. India, Israel and Pakistan have all built similar reactors — all with the purpose of fueling nuclear weapons. And why, by the way, does Iran even want a nuclear energy program, when it is sitting on an enormous pool of oil that is now skyrocketing in value? And why is Iran developing long-range Shahab missiles, which make no military sense without nuclear warheads to put on them?

For years these expensive projects have been viewed as evidence of Iran’s commitment to nuclear weapons. Why aren’t they still? The answer is that the new report defines “nuclear weapons program” in a ludicrously narrow way: it confines it to to enriching uranium at secret sites or working on a nuclear weapon design. But the halting of its secret enrichment and weapon design efforts in 2003 proves only that Iran made a tactical move. It suspended work that, if discovered, would unambiguously reveal intent to build a weapon. It has continued other work, crucial to the ability to make a bomb, that it can pass off as having civilian applications.

That work includes the centrifuges at Natanz, which bring Iran closer to a nuclear weapon every day — two to seven years away. To assert, as the report does, that these centrifuges are “civilian,” and not part of Iran’s weapons threat, is grossly misleading.

The new report has also upended our sanctions policy, which was just beginning to produce results. Banks and energy companies were pulling back from Iran. The United Nations Security Council had frozen the assets of dozens of Iranian companies. That policy now seems dead. If Iran is not going for the bomb, why punish it?

No company or bank will agree to lose money unless a nuclear threat is clear. Likewise, is it fair for the United Nations to continue to freeze the assets of people like Seyed Jaber Safdari, the manager of the Natanz plant, or companies like Mesbah Energy, the supplier of the reactor at Arak, because of links to a program that American intelligence believes is benign? One European official admitted to us that he and his colleagues were flummoxed. “We have to have a new policy now for going forward,” he said, “but we haven’t been able to figure out what it is.”

This situation is made all the more absurd by the report’s suggestion that international pressure offers the only hope of containing Iran. The report has now made such pressure nearly impossible to obtain. It is hardly surprising that China, which last week seemed ready to approve the next round of economic sanctions against Tehran, has now had a change of heart: its ambassador to the United Nations said yesterday that “we all start from the presumption that now things have changed.”

We should be suspicious of any document that suddenly gives the Bush administration a pass on a big national security problem it won’t solve during its remaining year in office. Is the administration just washing its hands of the intractable Iranian nuclear issue by saying, “If we can’t fix it, it ain’t broke”?

In any case, the report is an undoubted victory for Iran. Even if it opens the way for direct talks, which would be a benefit, it validates Iran’s claim that efforts to shut down Natanz are illegitimate. Thus Iran will be free to operate and add to its centrifuges at Natanz, accumulate a stockpile of low-enriched uranium customary for civilian use, and then have the ability to convert that uranium in a matter of months to weapons grade. This “breakout potential” would create a nuclear threat that we and Iran’s neighbors will have to live with for years to come.
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Valerie Lincy is the editor of Iranwatch.org. Gary Milhollin is the director of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Richard Haut

The same Gary Milhollin who said that "Saddam Hussein ran a secret A-bomb program" ?

The same lies from the same people.

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Richard Haut has worked with the architectural profession for over 25 years and produces the weekly Richard Haut's Competitions, which has given architects details of many thousands of projects for which they can apply across Britain and Europe.
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