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mgabriel



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Help with Front Elevation. Reply with quoteFind all posts by mgabriel

My wife and I are getting ready to build. We are trying to create a exterior that is very inviting. We love old house with deep porches but wonder if it would look right on this style of house. What can I do to make the exterior of this house create a "old feel" to it.

I look forward to hearing your opinion. Thank you in advance,
Michael


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg41/fishingtrail/sphousebungalowthreedormers.jpg
(would it look better with straight columns?)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by csintexas

That is a fairly traditional house form (for the South) but the columns are wrong and the proportions are a little off. Typically the porches would be 6-10 feet deep.

Get a book on classical details. 'Get Your House Right' comes to mind.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1402736282/ref=nosim/coffee4551-20

Find a good architect or residential designer.

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mgabriel



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quoteFind all posts by mgabriel

Thank you for your suggestion. I will purchase the book. What type of columns would you recommend. Would a 8 ft deep porch be to much?

thanks,
Michael
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by phansford

Michael,

I fully support front porches to houses. They provide outdoor living space, good connection to the street (and all of the neighbors walking by) and provides protection for the front door (and visitors).

You need to know however they can be expensive ($15,000 to $25,000 -depending on design) and are one of the items many people remove from their project once budgets start to get created. I might suggest thinking about the qualities you want to have in the house overall and think about how to meet your design goals without sacrificing things in whole.

We recommend our clients read Sarah Susanka's The Not So Big House . It should be available at your local library. Do not get caught about the aesthetics of Sarah's houses she uses as examples (there have a definite northern design to them) but look at the ideas. Sarah designed the 1999 Dream Houses for Life magazine.

You can also get a quick primer on the Not So Big House at www.notsobighouse.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by phansford

csintexas wrote:
That is a fairly traditional house form (for the South) but the columns are wrong and the proportions are a little off. Typically the porches would be 6-10 feet deep.

Get a book on classical details. 'Get Your House Right' comes to mind.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1402736282/ref=nosim/coffee4551-20

Find a good architect or residential designer.


Chris - good book find. I have never seen that one. Look's like I need to place an order with Amazon..... being the Leon Krier fanboy that I am. Laughing

He's sorta of a cross between Eraser head and a mad scientist. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by csintexas

8' is common. Just standard square or round columns would be good.

Yes, I think that is a must have book phansford. One of the ones I keep on my desk.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by ooberman

Some thoughts:
1. Simple doric/tuscan columns
2. Take out the brick pedestals or paint white
3. Paint shutters white?
4. Change front door to something else.... ANYTHING else!!!
5. I'd take out the Palladian windows (at least the arched windows)
6. Add two fireplaces, or at least some fake chimneys (all old houses have them)
7. Pilasters or quions on the edges of the house and dormers.
8. Any chance to create a tree lined walkway to the front door? It might not work, since it looks as if the real entrance is from the garage to the right and probably a road running behind the camera with little foliage. Maybe a tall hedge or stone wall with some processional to the front door.

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by csintexas

(I don't think this is the actual house but rather something like what they want)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Checkpoint43

The house in the photo is a Cape Cod style house, often described as a 1-1/2 story structure. The front porch can be made to be 8 or 10 feet deep, because the roofline over the porch also creates the roofline of the rooms on the 2nd floor.
Notice the dormers in the photo.

You did not submit a picture of the "Old Style" house you wanted to build. This could mean almost anything, but I have had several clients who wanted a full 2-story home, with a covered porch in the front.

In this case, an 8 ft or a 10 ft deep porch would not be possible.

Think of the roof over the porch as a right triangle with a fixed angle of about 18 degrees.
The base of the triangle is the ceiling line over the porch, and the vertical edge is along the front of the house.
If the minimum allowable roof pitch is 4/12, that means for every 12 inches the roof stretches out, the roofline will go up the wall 4 inches.

Covering a 6 ft deep porch makes the roof rise 2 feet vertically along on the wall.
Now the top of your porch roof is very close to the bottom of the 2nd floor windows. Egress requirements will not allow you to use smaller windows here so the rise is limited. Therefore, so is the base.

I hope this tip has been helpful.
Good luck with your project.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Checkpoint43

Here's an illustration to show you what I mean:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by ooberman

csintexas wrote:
(I don't think this is the actual house but rather something like what they want)


Oops, you're right! Thank goodness!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quoteFind all posts by mgabriel

Thanks for all of the tips...
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