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rikilabellevie
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my guess on who got nukes
1 usa
2 russia
3 britain
4 china
5 france
6 israel
7 india
8 pakistan
i think we'll all agree on that
+ every state who got their hands on CCCP nukes  
ukraine ......
north korea obviously 
didn't i read that south africa was close 
japan ??? i think they should because of china 
iran just like iraq back then 1981
*(french built and run facility of osirak destroyed by israeli aviation ,the mission was retarded because of french president mitterand election in may 1981 ( israelis gov. decided not to strike on inauguration day ) )
are seeking to obtain it
well i guess the israelis will do the job again
hopefully only targeting the non civilian facility
anyway democratic countries would not use it first
what about pakistan |
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Nice review on whos who with nukes...now lets get back to the topic of IRAN? Maybe you didn't read this last post...
Whether you agreed with the war in Iraq or not, let's talk Iran. At what point would you say that the United States should use military action against Iran? Not military action to change any regime, but military action to destroy their nuclear capabilities? Put aside the partisan politics and the "war is not the answer" nonsense. Do you want an Iran with nuclear weapons? If so, then the argument ends there. If you do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons, at what point does the United States step in and do something about it?
Maybe Israel will do us a favor and take care of the problem. There's precedence for that, you know. |
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rikilabellevie
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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damn you're not very nice 
like isaid israel will do the job before the facilities are in place 
do you have any doubt about that?
but bombing because they're saying f**k you with loud speakers
is not the best way to REACT
you should support the good cop /bad cop scenario
what about my list ? any more suggestions ?
any obvious mistakes ? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | what about my list ? any more suggestions ?
any obvious mistakes ? |
Yes, of course the obvious one is North Korea.
The best way to prevent nuclear terrorism is to keep the nukes out of the hands of Islamic madmen. Allowing Iran to continue with its nuclear weapons program would not be helpful in that regard, nor would allowing that strange little gargoyle who runs North Korea to continue with his programs. Kim Jong-Il has never seen a weapons system he didn't want to sell for big bucks.
So ... last week The Gargoyle announces that his communist state is dropping out of six-party nuclear talks and intends to "bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal." This would be the first public admission from the North that they do indeed possess nukes.
Kim Jong-Il's crowd also whined that the US wants to get rid of them: "The U.S. disclosed its attempt to topple the political system in the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) at any cost, threatening it with a nuclear stick. This compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by the people in the DPRK." Well, isn't this interesting. Since they've now put their cards on the table, perhaps it's time for us to do the same.........or maybe China will help us take care of that one |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: |
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why doesn't China attack north Korea for you ? Why doesn't Israel attack Iran for you ?
why don't GOPs wear uniforms themselves for a change.
too busy ?
interesting to see that Halliburton was caught redhanded thieving from troops in the field (ain't that treason ?) - caught with full proof from the Army auditors themselves, swindling the US soldiers.
So what does Bush do ? Pays them the money that they were trying to steal.
Pickin' over the dead and dying - you some kind of an American to support that.
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Donald
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Lets review for those who believe in the RH side of the Halliburton story:
Halliburton was awarded their services contract under the Clinton administration. In the 1990s the Army wanted to get outside help handling the logistics associated with actions overseas. That's when the Army came up with LOGCAP, the U.S. Army Logistics Civil Augmentation Program. Halliburton first won the competitive bid for LOGCAP in 1992. It lost the contract in 1997. Who was president in 1997? Someone named Bill Clinton. Halliburton was out, but Clinton needed help with his logistics efforts in Bosnia. Who did he turn to? Halliburton? He gave another contract to Halliburton with NO COMPETITIVE BIDDING. Halliburton then won the competitive bidding process again in 2001. So .. which party seems to favor Halliburton? In 1992 and in 2001, under Republican presidents, Halliburton wins competitive bids for LOGCAP. In 1997, under a Democratic president, Halliburton gets the contract without a bid.
So ... Bush haters. Get over it. If anyone was showing favoritism to Halliburton, it was Clinton, not Bush and Cheney.
It's interesting that the Bush-haters think Cheney is some sort of evil mastermind ripping off the government and enriching his buddies at Halliburton, while at the same time accusing him of being stupid enough to coordinate a huge contract with a company with which they say he has a conflict of interest. So..which is it?
The order has been given: get Cheney.
And hear this.... If Halliburton suddenly came up with a way to make millions of flu vaccine doses in 48 hours, and if the Bush administration awarded Halliburton a no-bid contract to move ahead with the manufacture of those vaccine doses ... the Democrats would immediately hit the airwaves with a television commercial slamming the Bush crowd for awarding yet another no-bid contract to Halliburton; and God help us if Halliburton actually made any money |
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Richard Haut
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apparently over one third of the properties that Halliburton were claiming money for managing in Iraq did not actually exist.
now what has that got to do with Bubba Clinton ?
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Donald
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I am so completely tired of hearing these Bush-hating, left-wing, neo-socialists rant and rave about Halliburton. What morons. These are people who hate capitalism, hate the profit motive, and believe that every evil visited on the world is done so in the name of corporate greed. Losers all.
To listen to these irrational cretins you would think that this entire war in Iraq was being fought for one purpose, to enrich Halliburton. It would be not at all surprising if some of these anti-capitalist geeks believed that Bush arranged for those airplanes to fly into the World Trade Towers for that one purpose .. enriching Halliburton.
Try this experiment. The next time you hear some liberal like RH, parrot squawk about Halliburton just ask them one simple question. "Well, RH --- since you're such an expert on Halliburton, why don't you tell me just what it is that Halliburton does? Name one product or one service that Halliburton provides."
I won't be holding my breath waiting for cogent answer from RH or the others.
And yes, not one thing to say about Halliburton when it was the Clinton Administration that was handing out contracts .. with no bidding, by the way. You might also be interested in knowing that Al Gore was quite a fan of Halliburton. Gore's reinventing government panel had some very complimentary things to say about Halliburton and the services it provides to the U.S. government. Ahhh ... but what does Al Gore know, right?
That brings us back to 2001. It's time for bidding on the LOGCAP contract again. Halliburton is right in there, and wins the bid. This means that at the time of the Iraq War Halliburton had the bid for providing logistical and other services to the U.S. government. They were the go-to company. So, along comes the U.S. Army with a fat contract for Halliburton to put out oil-well fires in Iraq and all hell breaks loose. To the left, this is all the proof you needed to show that this whole war was about oil and enriching Bush pals.
Recap: Clinton awards no-bid contract to Halliburton at a time when Halliburton did not hold the LOGCAP contract. Bush awards contract to Halliburton at a time when Halliburton DID hold the LOGCAP contract.
So ... one last question for RH and his - dumb slur - friends. Well .. make that two questions. Did Clinton go into the Balkans to enrich Halliburton? Of course you're saying say no. Now, did Bush go to Iraq to enrich Halliburton? Of course you'll say yes. At this point all I can do for RH and his friends is to have them institutionalized .. for they are beyond all help |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Classic, Donald. Since the corruption of Haliburton and its 'special access' to the Bush adminstration are fundamentally indefensible, you strike back by complaining about the prior administration, about fellow forum participants, about vague groups of people with different political philosophies...
Even if all your accusations of distraction were true - which they aren't, by a long shot - they amount to just about zero in defense of the Bush/Cheney administration and its huge sweatheart deals for its own backers.
Gratuitously insulting other forum participants is not civil conversation - let alone "friendly". Please stop it, or you will be banned here again. (Even though clearly Richard can take it!)
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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"why don't you tell me just what it is that Halliburton does?"
well, among other things, Donald, through their subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root (which they hope to offload) - Halliburton (despite their current risk of appeareances before bankruptcy court) design concentration camps.
no point in getting hysterical because your friends are said to be stealing (or do you consider the Army auditors to be a bunch of pinko-lefties ?)
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Donald
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And I suppose that George Bush should resign because of all the controversies over Halliburton! Yup ... you got it! The thread is about Iran has nukes, and this forum hack answers with Halliburton! Gets old after a while, doesn't it?...........follow the template and you too can be on the dcforumpoliticalparty....they may even make you mayoroftheleft.
OK ... Gratuitously insulting other forum participants should be considered as reciprocal treatment...of course I can take it.
Forward now, all of you folks have heard the stories about how that most evil corporation in the history of that evil known as capitalism, Halliburton, tried to gouge the American taxpayers by overcharging for gasoline in Iraq. Some people -- people not known as -liberals -- may actually want the rest of the story. So ... here it is, old news but all the same, I believe it is true:
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200312190859.asp
Can RH please give us the news link to your what I believe to be his old story deemed to be an "accusation of distraction" |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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of course, Donald - indeed we have strayed from the original thread.
I will have to search for the link in which Donald Rumsfeld informed the world that Iran DOES NOT POSSESS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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The National Review thing looks like a bogus cover story -- another distraction -- where they are picking on just a paarticular set of transactions, which are allegedly clean, while ignoring others which are not.
We'll see how this cover story holds up. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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your nuclear states are pretty much as follows
Russia
United Kingdom
France
China
Israel
India
Pakistan
North Korea
these are the ones that are out there and are known to have weapons either through admission or through demonstration...
you might as well add japan to that list as well since they could easily produce large numbers of nuclear weapons in less than a year, but they just so happen to have a clause under which they have made it illegal to produce weapons for themselves unless threatened in an emergency... such as NK getting nukes... so expect some japanese nukes in the near future if NK decides to test any of their weapons...
as for iran, like i said earlier they are still at the stage where it is going to take them a year to produce a single weapon... have they done this yet, probably not....is it what they plan to do? it certainly seems so
i'll agree with RH that iran doesn't have a nuke YET...but no one on the other side has explained why iran is pursuing a uranium enrichment program that is entirely unnecessary since they have such large uranium resources in their country...
why do they need to reproccess? it certainly isn't for economic reasons, so the only possible reason would be that they want to create a nuclear weapon...
currently this is iran's missle cache...
one might notice they are predominantly liquid fueled missles, which would make it very difficult for iran to do any kind of 'lightning strike' with its weapons since liquid fueled rockets take alot of preparation and are quite a bit more sensitive than their solid fueled counterparts...
i'll say again i doubt iran has a nuclear weapon, but how can anyone possibly argue that they aren't pursuing one as we speak? |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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you seem to be forgetting the rather obvious point that your country has threatened a large number of nations - and has already attacked two of them with who knows how much terrorist action by what are misrepresented as your "intelligence" services in yet more countries.
rumour has it that some of those threatened nations have helped to arm others against further American acts of aggression.
Iran agreed to stop uranium enrichment despite the blatant attempts by the US to destroy the EU/Russian talks.
at the same time America is desparately trying to get rid of El-Baradai - hardly surprising, since he was the man who showed that the US "intelligence" on Iraqi uranium trading was fake.
America's concerns over Iranian weaponry are a fraud.
we all have to pretend politely that the American public "did not know" that they were being deliberately deceived - but ignorance is no excuse. However for the same people to parade the same lies for the same reason of waging war on yet another nation that does not threaten them is an indication that all the nations subjected to abuse by your government will be attacked.
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