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Kevin
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What is this supposed to mean?
| Donald wrote: | | Truth or Consequences? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Are we really getting the telling truth or are these the consequences one faces by not following protocol and running a US military checkpoint? And for the lack of anything else and in being repetitive, there is only one real truth in this whole mess ... and that is the truth that America's enemies will manipulate and exploit this story as much as they possibly can to further their anti-American aims and goals. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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As for your partisan prediction of who will do what with the story and implications of this attack on a just-released journalist hostage, that's not a truth - it's your projection. And, I'm sorry to say, it's a blatantly one-sided projection, at that.
How does one sort truth from propaganda in an era of corporate-controlled mass media? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe for starts the full chapter reading is in order as this evenings homework:
http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=104
BTW, most (95%) of news reporters today are left handed biased.....hmm what corporate controlled media are you referring to? |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Bogus number, bigoted description, both missing the point.
Nice reference though on how Bush's preemptive unilateralism is pissing off the rest of the world, and damaging the U.S. reputation globally. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Odd to see our resident "Pro-American" calling attention to the report cited. I suppose it's meant to serve as an example of left-wing lies and distortions. Instead its an objective analysis of no doubt easily-verifiable published international opinion -- which I for one choose to heed rather than ignore. What does it mean to refuse ever to look into a mirror. . .?
Which hurts more, lies or truth?
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Architorture
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Haut wrote: | It is the Italian Foreign Minister who says that the American explanation is less than truthful.
...snip...
Mind you, the Israelis must be laughing themselves silly. The Americans cannot even assassinate a woman journalist without screwing up. The Israelis do a thorough job - no risk of Hariri complaining afterwards. |
i don't recall which minister it was, possibly the foreign maybe defense, but he also said that the incident was clearly an accident as well...
as for the second part don't you think that is a bit calous...that seems like a statement that if made by donald may get edited out...
i hope it was in jest, b/c you only do yourself a discredit by actually believing that it was a planned ambush aimed at killing her... for someone who claims that the US military is so extremely brutal i would think you would find it awfully hard to accept that they wouldn't be able to accomplish the mission of killing a defenseless journalist on the open highway... especially when it seems that HUNDREDS of bullets [except for a couple] entirely missed their mark |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Assassination is government policy in Israel.
Negroponte, Abrams - now where have I heard those names before .....
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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"Let the games. . .begin!" Again. . .
I'm glad they aren't letting Abrams show his face on TV, this time; I'm fresh out of rotten fruit.
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: |
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The Italian games have begun, to the tune of say 10 to 13million $???......Michelle Malkin says the real scandal in the Giuliana Sgrena affair is not that her car was shot at, but that the Italian government paid off her captors.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20050309.shtml |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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there was some images on tv today of the "car" she was in...
it didn't look like the one that has been circulating around with the busted up front end that was actually the car she was abducted from...
a couple windows appeared to be shot out but the thing didn't look like it had been riddled with 400 rounds by any means...unless all of them found their way through the windows with only a few actually hitting a person
but of course...it was just a random video clip without alot of commentary made about it... so it very well could be some file footage or something...
there actually has been very little information given about what type of vehicle they were in what happened to it and what condition it was in after the shooting... i would think that image of the car would give some pretty good answers to alot of questions |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Michelle Malkin, Fox infotainment commentator, and author of 'In Defense of Internment: The Case for "Racial Profiling" in World War II and the War on Terror'.
From her own sales blurb: "In this provocative new book, she explains why civil liberties are not sacrosanct. 'In Defense of Internment' offers a ringing justification for the most reviled wartime policies in American history: the evacuation, relocation, and internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II. It also defends racial, ethnic, religious, and nationality profiling as effective defensive measures in today's War on Terror."
Quite a lofty arbiter of moral values. Such depth, such nuances. Such intellectual integrity.
| Architorture wrote: | | there actually has been very little information given about what type of vehicle they were in what happened to it and what condition it was in after the shooting... |
Given that so few independent facts are available, Architorture, what is the basis or point of your speculations on this topic? Is speculation in the absense of sound information anything much more than projection?
What are you projecting? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It also defends racial, ethnic, religious, and nationality profiling as effective defensive measures in today's War on Terror |
So lets wander off topic for a moment....nothing wrong about racial profiling that makes me want to cringe...in fact we need to step it up more and set hardened profiling rules ...especially in our airports....no more strip searching little old ladies...and go for the Arab looking groups.
Remember when Bush caught some heat from an Arab-American group for accurately portraying the truth in a campaign ad last year? The group was calling on Bush to remove a "Middle Eastern looking" man from an ad that focused on terrorism. The president of the Arab-American Institute was calling it "racial profiling". The Bush campaign was telling them to stick it. Time for a little insensitivity training I suppose.
Yes ... you heard that right. Arab-Americans were complaining because there's a Middle Eastern looking man portrayed as a terrorist in a campaign ad. Using a person of Middle Eastern decent to portray a terrorist is like using a tall person to portray an NBA center.
So do we really need to go over the facts here? All of the terrorists on 9/11 were Arabs, all of the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslims, all of the terrorists on 9/11 were "Middle Eastern-looking" men. So, to accurately portray the truth and to represent a terrorist in a commercial, what would one expect the Bush campaign to do? A regular old white guy isn't going to look very convincing as an Islamic terrorist. It would be a tough sell, even with a turban.
A better response to this would have been to ask the president of this group why so many terrorists supposedly practice the "peaceful" religion of Islam? Why does Allah tell them to blow up so many innocent civilians? Where is it written that flying airplanes into buildings, blowing up buses and using suicide bombers in busy cafes is peaceful? It isn't, and it's not.
It's time for these groups to worry more about how the terrorists make them look than about how terrorists are portrayed in TV ads and in racial profiling lines at our airports. |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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the view of Silvio Berlusconi:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4333839.stm
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Donald
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| Berlusconi is a staunch ally of the US and President Bush in Iraq. You can be sure the politics will subside after the 4 weeks of investigations is complete....and it will be back to business as usual....and thanks to the 3000 Italian troops that they haven't joined in with the - dumb slur -- crowd. |
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